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That allowed us to win over the trust of all the people we wanted to interview for the Kubernetes documentary. CRAIG BOX: How did you then select Kubernetes as the next topic to cover? JOSIAH MCGARVIE: The way we picked Kubernetes was really interesting because we didn't pick Kubernetes. What happened was, I was working on the final few weeks of editing the Vue.js documentary, and I got an email from a guy named Chad Torbin at Speakeasy Strategies, a PR company in San Francisco. Chad reaches out to me in an email, and he goes, hey, Honeypot. I don't know who should be receiving this email. I don't know what's going on. You guys have this really cool channel where you're creating documentaries. He was like, that's really cool. That's really interesting. I don't know of anyone else who's doing that but you guys. And he says, I happen to have the connections for all the people who created Kubernetes, and I can help you get in contact with all the people who created Kubernetes, just in case you're looking for another project, and you're not sure which to choose. Kubernetes, you may have heard of it. It's kind of-- CRAIG BOX: It's kind of a big deal. JOSIAH MCGARVIE: It's kind of a big deal. Maybe you want to do Kubernetes. So I said, "what's Kubernetes?" I Googled it. I was like, OK. Again, I'm not a technical person, so I have to Google this stuff. And I look it up, Kubernetes. And I see all these people posting graphs of how it's just exploding. It's like the biggest open-source thing by far since Linux. I was like, wow, OK, this is a big deal. So I wrote back to him. I was like, yeah, this sounds really cool, Kubernetes awesome. Once we finish Vue.js let's get started. So I emailed Chad back, and I go, this is really cool, yes, Kubernetes. Wow, big deal, we'd love to do a documentary about Kubernetes. We were eager to level up from our previous success with Vue.js. So we thought, OK, let's do Kubernetes. Chad Torbin is the reason why this happened. CRAIG BOX: Well, thank you, Chad. You mentioned that leveling up, there are a couple of things that were different about this documentary versus the ones you've done before. You have sponsors for this documentary for the first

#170 March 2, 2022 Kubernetes: The Documentary, with Josiah McGarvie Hosts: Craig Box Six years after its creation, Kubernetes is the subject of its very own documentary film. Job platform Honeypot has released. Josiah McGarvie was Honeypot’s head of video, and the lead filmmaker for Kubernetes: The Documentary. Join us for the director’s commentary.Do you have something cool to share? Some questions? Let us know:web: kubernetespodcast.commail: [email protected]: @kubernetespodChatter of the weekEpisode 21, with Ihor DvoretskiIhor joins the armyDonate to:Come Back AliveUkrainian National BankThe International Committee of the Red CrossRed Cross Red CrescentNews of the weekPodman 4.0.0Episode 164, with Daniel Walsh and Brent BaudeSignadot announces public betaOkteto raises $15m Series AEpisode 125, with Ramiro BerrellezaPlatform9’s Enterprise Trends in Cloud Native report.Robin.io acquired by Rakuten SymphonyTechCrunch coverageSuperbowl adLinks from the interviewKubernetes: The Documentary Part 1 and Part 2HoneypotWhat is Honeypot?Honeypot documentariesElixirEmberGraphQLVue.jsChad Torbin at Speakeasy StrategiesGuillermo LópezExplaining Kubernetes to a childBohemian Rhapsody (film)Docker’s 1-year anniversaryNetflix Kanye West documentaryAspect ratiosSome PHP source codeTim Hockin’s t-shirtsA wild Kubernetes Podcast stickerRecommended on LinkedInThe Simpsons go to AustraliaBrisbane Documentary CompanyJosiah McGarvie on Twitter CRAIG BOX: Hi, and welcome to the Kubernetes podcast from Google. I'm your host, Craig Box. [MUSIC PLAYING] CRAIG BOX: Way back in episode 21, we spoke to Ihor Dvoretskyi. Ihor is many things. He's a senior developer advocate working for CNCF. He was a co-chair of the Kubernetes PM SIG. He's a Google Developer Expert. He's a great guy to have a drink with at a KubeCon. Ihor is Ukrainian. He lives in the city of Lviv. And as of Saturday, he's a member of the Territorial Defense Forces of Ukraine. Ihor should be holding a microphone, not a rifle. I invited Ihor to guest host the show today if he could, but he politely declined. I asked him what our listeners could do. He shared links to the Ukrainian charity Come Back Alive and the fund of the National Bank of Ukraine, which you can find in the show notes. Donations to those charities will be used to fund Ukrainian citizens fighting back against the Russian invasion. You may prefer to donate to the humanitarian relief effort, in which case, I've included a link to the International Committee of the Red Cross. Google is matching employee donations dollar for dollar, so I've made my donation through our internal giving platform. Many other employers will do the same. Please take a moment to

Wanted to talk to, and we wanted to have an episode on this section, and an episode on that. There were plenty of people that we really wanted to talk to, but we didn't have to. The project was growing, and we realized our budget for the documentary was not going to cut it. We know there's companies out there who really care about the Kubernetes community. They want to see a documentary about Kubernetes as much as we do. Why don't we reach out to them, and say, hey, can you spare some change? Can you give us a little money, so we can pay for this trip and cover the costs of creating this documentary? So we reach out to a bunch of companies. The ones that ended up getting back to us who are interested were, Cloud Native Computing Foundation, Red Hat, and Google. We ended up reaching out to these sponsors. It was after we had already gotten everyone on board. And we'd already shot some of the interviews. So this was kind of a later development. Basically, our pitch was, hey, we need a bit of money to finish this project. We know you want to see it made as much as we do. So can you give us some money? And so we ended up getting a bit of funding from Google, a bit of funding from CNCF and a bit of funding from Red Hat. And that really was the rocket fuel we needed to get over to the US and pay for that trip and pay for the documentary to be finished. CRAIG BOX: At this point you've done a bunch of pre interviews. You've learnt what Kubernetes is, and presumably, how kubectl is pronounced. And you've started interviewing people on record. At which point have you decided what the story that you want to tell is? Have you decided it beforehand based on those conversations, and then you're just filming interviews to get the information that you need? Or is the story constantly evolving as you meet and film people? JOSIAH MCGARVIE: There's two phases to that. We wanted to do as much research as we could to have a pretty solid story of how we wanted to tell the documentary. From my experience with making documentaries, you have to expect that that story is going to change at least 30%.

Time. What is the relationship between Honeypot and the documentary sponsors? JOSIAH MCGARVIE: I got to back up a little bit to understand even why we decided to go with sponsors. Once Vue came out, we were like, OK, if you guys are familiar with your COVID-19 lore, these dates are going to be significant to you. Vue.js comes out on February the 25th, 2020. March, we're just dealing with promotion and all that March 2020, we go, let's start production on Kubernetes. As you may know, March, 2020, is when the COVID-19 situation popped off. And we all went into lockdown in Germany, hard-core lockdown. Now, the way that I keep track of all the COVID-19 dates, is how I keep track of the Kubernetes documentary project. So we go into lockdown, Guillermo Lopez, and I, the filmmakers who are going to be working. He's a brilliant filmmaker. So Guillermo and I go, OK, we're in lockdown. We're working from home. We start getting together and going, OK, let's start mapping out the Kubernetes story. We start doing some research. We listen to a little bit of this podcast, maybe. We're researching. We're looking up people who've published timelines. We're trying to get our heads around the story of Kubernetes. The first week, we just were trying to figure out what Kubernetes was. We would do some research, and then we'd like go, OK, you tell me what you think Kubernetes is and summarize it in your own words. And we'd be like, oh, it's this thing that does this. Oh it's like an orch-- oh, it's a container orchestration platform. And then it was like, OK, well what's a container? Next job, is to figure out what's a container. After that, we'll figure out what's an orchestration. And then after that, we'll do research on what a platform is. We were really down to basics. Someone had made this really good animation, and they put it on YouTube. It's explaining Kubernetes to my like five-year-old daughter or something like that. Guillermo and I are like, perfect, this is the kind of content we need right now to help us understand this technology. So we're doing that. Eventually, we get our heads around it. With the help of Chad, we start reaching out to all these people Craig, Joe, Brandon, Ville, Tim, Brian, Sarah Novotny. All the people, basically,

Was in it, it could have been a three-part documentary. CRAIG BOX: I want to dig into that. Where do you decide to stop a story? Talking about Kubernetes, someone said, "we did a rewrite in Go". I think there's a documentary in that entire sentence. JOSIAH MCGARVIE: That's the thing like, there's certain impulses that you have where you want to indulge in one area of the story or the other. And one of the rules of filmmaking is, you want to leave people wanting more rather than leave people having seen too much. When things start to get complicated in the edit. When things start to get unclear about what should be included and what shouldn't. It's always best to stick with the main story beats. It's always best to stick with the abridged version. The thing that really annoys me about documentary filmmaking these days, although, we are in a golden age of documentary filmmaking like I've never seen before. We've never seen such good documentaries. But you do have this tendency from like, Netflix documentaries, I'm not sure if you watch them. Well, they'll take a story that could be an hour and a half documentary, and they'll turn it into a 10-part series. I was just watching the Kanye West documentary the other day, and I'm in shock. There's a scene where they start going into the back story. The cameraman starts going into his own back story about his early life growing up, and how he got-- and I'm like, isn't this a Kanye West documentary? It's frustrating because at some point, you just got to get to the point. Tell a concise story and not drag it out. It was that energy that we tried to bring to Kubernetes. Because it could have been five hours at the end of the day, but we wanted it to be consumable. CRAIG BOX: Your documentary is in a wider aspect ratio than you normally see on YouTube. It's more what you'd expect for 35mm film. Why that decision? JOSIAH MCGARVIE: Film nerd alert. The aspect ratio that we uploaded in the film in, is 2.35:1. Most of what you see on TV now is 16:9. And the only reason that 16:9 is used, is because when TV manufacturers started to make TVs, they didn't know whether to do 2.35:1, in order to watch films, or